I've got an MRC X3 I am going to rebarrel. The 190-gr. Ive just shown that its no faster than the .300 Win. but doesnt kick as hard. Published Feb 26, 2020 3:21 PM EST. Thats 1,000 psi less than the little .22/250 Remington. When Winchester came out with this modification of the .30-06 these was no other 27-caliber cartridge in the world. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. 28. There have been other .270s, like the .270 Weatherby Magnum, and Winchesters own .270 WSM, but they have maintained the same 1:10-inch twist rate of the .270 Winchester, and use the same projectile weights. When choosing among these three .270s one must consider more than just ballistics. It throws a 150-grain bullet 3,300 fps from a 26-inch barrel, about 300 to 400 fps faster than the .270 Winchester, 200 fps faster than the .270 WSSM, and 100 fps quicker than the .270 Weatherby Magnum. I've also shot elk with my 338-06, 30-06AI, 30-06, 7mmRM, 284W, and in the last two years, three elk with a 243W. If there were a factory load of .28 Nosler Cartridges with a 168-grain Barnes LRX, Id order a whole pallet right away. And youll definitely want to spark those heavy powder charges with a large rifle magnum primer. We manufacture Partition, AccuBond, E-Tip, Ballistic Tip, Custom Competition and much more. For 2020, Nosler has chosen to take the venerable 270 caliber to a new level with the introduction of the all-new 27 Nosler. He wasnt quite prepared for the recoil when the rifle was mounted on his shoulder over a puffy coat. Right. Subscriber Services. Ditto rifle size. This gives it the necessary elasticity to expand and seal the chamber while the stronger steel keeps the head from rupturing. The tighter the cover, the shorter the rifle. Our editors have hand-picked these essential pieces of gear to make you a more successful hunter when you hit the game trails this season. The .28 Nosler shoots flat and powerfully, but it is expensive to shoot, burns barrels quickly, and has significant recoil. Some .30-calibers work best in lever actions, some in short actions, some in full magnum actions. With the right bullets, it can actually hit harder than the 375 H&H Magnum at longer ranges. Yes, the 7mm bullet flies better and can be pushed a bit faster, yet the .30-caliber bullet has more frontal area, dealing a harder initial blow. The cartridge is a proven performer. That increased capacity, coupled with modern powders, allows the 27 Nosler to drive bullets faster and flatter than ever before. All Rights Reserved. Lots of things still to be determined, but at least the .277-inch bullet size is getting some new life. On the contrary, 150-180 grain bullets in 300 Win Mag can hold up to 1000 rounds. 7mm Remington Magnu n. 28 . Watch videos, see the latest gear and more. Years of development and pushing the limits of what is possible in a rifle optic have led up to this moment. They shoot flatter, kick less, and with the great modern bullets we have, they do the job! In addition to the caliber, Nosler also introduced new 165gr . Two of the newest entrants into this category, the .28 Nosler and the .300 PRC. After years of hunting and shooting from Africa to Alaska, I think most get cartridge enery wrong. The 27 Nosler case has 42% more case capacity than the 270 Winchester, 25% more than the 270 WSM and 12.5% more than the 270 Weatherby. 28 Nosler barrel life is around 700-900 rounds for 175-grain bullets. If your chosen bullet fails to expand at 1,000 yards, its a poor choice, no matter the energy. Nosler, the world's finest bullets, ammunition, rifles, & brass. Shot was quartering to and both shots exited behind off shoulder. At the light end is the .338 Federal, the .308 Winchester case necked up. No matter 27 or 28 caliber. However, if I were in the market for a fast 7mm, Id look at one of the new unbelted cartridges designed for these bullets. There are dozens of good elk cartridges, with choices depending largely on the distances you intend to shoot, thus dictating the bullet energy you need to project. Kevin Steele from Petersen's HUNTING speaks to Jordan Egli of Burris Optics about the all-new Veracity PH Riflescope. I think a .30-06 with 180-grain bullet offers about the same performance as a 7mm Remington Magnum with 175-grain bullet. I used a 7mm Rem Mag for years, great cartridge. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. No experience with this specific bullet, but with my .270 I have taken 5 elk (2 bulls, 3 cows) with the 150gr Federal Fusion in factory load. Manufacturer #: 61237. Mag. One of the most prominent differences between the two is that the 28 Nosler fires a bullet diameter of 7.2mm or 0.284" while the 300 Win Mag fires the more common 30-caliber or 0.308" diameter bullets. Traditional .270s are limited by 1:10 rifling twist to 150-grain bullets. I have yet to see anyone do a comparison of the two cartridges, no doubt because the 27 Nosler is a very new option at this time. You are all set and go forth with complete confidence. Manufactured by Nosler as part of their Trophy Grade Ammunition lineup and loaded with the legendary Nosler Partition bullet, this is hands down the best 28 Nosler ammo for elk, moose, or bear hunting at shorter ranges. At 2,500 fps and a B.C. The problem with the medium magnums (over .30 and less than .375): There are few to choose from, and only the .338 is genuinely popular with a robust selection of loads. The 27 Nosler has 32% more case capacity than the .270 Winchester, 22% more than the .270 Winchester Short Magnum and 14% more than the .270 Weatherby. The .277 Fury works with much higher chamber pressures to get high velocity. Second, since .30-caliber bullets must be even heavier to compete in the Ballistic Coefficient (BC) race, a magnum 7mm recoils significantly less than a magnum .30. Think it all through carefully before choosing. Faster models like .270 Wby. It's extremely flat shooting and drops an incredible amount of energy on target. Learn More . I further suspect, nay, predict no deer, elk, or bear addressed by any of these is going to like them. Absolutely! Close or far, thick timber or wide-open, the .338 Win Mag is an elk cartridge! IMR 7828, IMR 7977 and IMR 8133; Reloder 26 and Reloder 33; Hodgdons H1000 and H50BMG; all make good choices for the big case. 28 Nosler is essentially a shortened version of the 7mm Remington Ultra Magnum (7mm RUM). And, I know they are going to be pretty similar, but, still, I have to choose one. Thats the key to each of these new .270 cartridges. If you can't get it done with the 27 nosler, you won't get it done with the 28 nosler. With the Jeffery-based case, youll want to look to powder choices on the slow end of the spectrum. Slide up to some of the new 190-gr. Benefits of the .28 Nosler. The ELD-X is not a deep penetrating bullet, but instead is designed for reliable expansion even at longer distances and slower speeds. Elk carry enough venison on the hoof to suggest a big cartridge and big bullet. However, simply not passing through the body is not necessarily a bad thing, and depends highly on the bullet construction. What the heck? Heres a look at 10 of the most flexible long-range hunting cartridges. None require field artillery, but a mature Rocky Mountain bull might weigh 800-1000 pounds, four times the size of most mule deer bucks. My 28 Nosler launches the 162 Grain EL-DX's at 3,250 FPS. Well, as the majority of us are primarily deer hunters, and the .270 Winchester handles deer and similar sized game so well, I dont think that will come to pass. []. It was a 270 wby built on a Fierce Rival long action with a 27 " 1-8 twist benchmark. bullet will carry about 250 ft-lb more energy. .270 Winchester. Mag. The .270s are similarly adequate for elkwith caution. | Your email address will not be published. Yet, for those who enjoy hunting across the continent or the globe, the 27 Nosler makes a very flexible package that can handle deer and black in the forests, yet reach out across a canyon to handle a bull elk, or across the vastness of the tundra when in pursuit of caribou. Traditional .270s are limited by 1:10 rifling twist to 150-grain bullets. It usually includes hiking steep country for days with a pack on your back. Hunters typically but incorrectly use the best elk calibers to mean cartridge, but Ill use calibers for the sake of this review. I usually shoot 168 grain Nosler ABLR 160 grain Nosler AB bullets. With modern loads the .45-70 has 200-yard capability, and no issues about hitting an elk hard enough. This is the unfortunate trade off. The .277 Fury works with much higher chamber pressures to get high velocity. When hunting elk with a rifle, shooting distances vary widely depending on the topography and vegetation youre hunting. There are plenty of other .30-calibers for hire. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. Use enough gun, enough caliber, and enough cartridge and bullet to invite them to dinner. What does this mean for the hunter in the field? Mag. Zero both three inches high at 100 yards and at 400 yards they both drop 11.3 inches and deflect about 8.5 inches in that 10 mph breeze. But .300 Win. No doubt Ive angered all of its fans by comparing it to the old, slow .30-06. I think .277 caliber is going to be the next big thing imo..it will be the next craze similar to the 6.5s..if you get a 27 nosler you will just be getting in ahead of the game. Some of us hunt still-hunt elk in black timber and on brushy lower slopes. I tested the new cartridge at the bench in both the Nosler Model 21 and Nosler Model 48 rifles, and was pleased with the results; the 165-grain load averaged just under -MOA, and the 150-grain load just under one-MOA. The .300 Win Mag is the worlds most popular magnum. Both sizes are much better ballistically and that what i was saying in my post. In addition to the caliber, Nosler also introduced new 165gr AccuBond Long Range bullets in .277, specifically designed for the 27 Noslers faster-than-standard 1-8.5 twist rate. Will the 27 Nosler shove the .270 Winchester out of the limelight? Not everybody has embraced the rage for rangeand not all elk are found in open country. Elk wont care one way or the other so long as you use a suitable bullet and park it properly. But in the chart it says it carries it to over 1200 yards. worldwide popularity. If you plan to order your ammunition online, the best elk hunting cartridge Ive seen is probably the Nosler 160-grain Trophy Grade ammunition with a good old Partition bullet. Obviously, there is plenty of leeway in all of this, and personal biases can play a big role. at 3,000 fps. How much will it cost? For big bears, I prefer 250-grain bullets, but for elk I stick with 200 to 225-grain bullets. Think Remington M700s, Savage M110s, Ruger M77s, and even the Browning Autoloading Rifle. I want to hit them well, but also hardat any range. 26 Nosler vs 28 Nosler Cartridges. It's extremely flat shooting and drops an incredible amount of energy on target. The .28 Nosler is a cartridge developed by the Nosler Corporation. of energy, making it a suitable choice for an all-around North American cartridge. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. Mag., look at a .338 Federal, .358 Win., or even 7mm-08 Win. No matter, people are shooting at elk at longer ranges, and todays rifles, optics, and bullets will get there. I put a Vortex Viper PST Gen II 5-25x scope on my rifle, so the finished setup weighed 31.2 ounces. bullet makes it easier to hit should you misjudge the range. It nearly matched ballistics of the Weatherby Magnum. Video of Elk Being Shot with .28 Noslerif(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'backfire_tv-box-4','ezslot_13',175,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-backfire_tv-box-4-0'); Nosler even advertises the .28 Nosler primarily as an elk cartridge. Okay, but minimal. Again, bullet weight. A high B.C. Elk are a big deal because theyre a big deer, and thus require big elk calibers. This review can help with that. Kevin Steele, Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING talks with JJ Reich of HEVI-Shot about the new offerings for 2023. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. Mag. Even at the 500-yard mark, the 27 Nosler will deliver over 2,100 ft.-lbs. But I still dont consider them a top pick for elk just because, well, larger calibers provide a slight edge. Heft up to a 10-pound rifle and kick will calm to just 32.7 ft-lb. If I can shoot the .28 Nosler without any issues, the vast majority of adult male shooters wont have any issues either. Id go the 27 Nosler, the 270 WSM is awesome. Most 225-grain factory loads are rated 2,750 to 2,800 fps, enough velocity to put about 3,900 ft-lb of energy into that little bullet. The 27 Nosler has a long leade for sleek, high BC, long ogive, ABLR and RDF style bullets. Over the decades, millions of deer, elk, sheep, bears and pronghorn have fallen to it, to grace the tables and walls of Americas hunters and add chapters to the American hunting lore. I did not determine the rifling twist rate of the Cross Rifle, but Im guessing it will be faster than the traditional 1-10 inches of the .270 Winchester. will kick with 29.3 ft-lb, and the 300 will slap you with 37 ft-lb. Im not sure if theyve won the contract or if the testing is still underway, but the civilian bolt-action rifle and ammo should become available in 2020. It will work but a little much. To prevent the risk of a 28 Nosler cartridge being chambered in a 27 Nosler chamber, the shoulder of the 27 Nosler has been moved slightly rearward, lengthening the neck slightly. Youll appreciate that kind of performance if you can handle the recoil. Say the bullets are more than 180 grains in 300 Win Mag. X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. The "new" .270s (27 Nosler and 6.8 Western), with faster twists and bullets up to 175 grains change the game. This nudges MV (muzzle velocity) to 3,200 fps and increases recoil velocity to almost 18 fps and energy to nearly . Im not suggesting that elk rifles should be four times more powerful than deer rifles, but elk are tough. So, the most likely candidate today is a modern .45-70 lever-action, either a Marlin or Henry in the popular guide gun configuration, short barrel with easy scope mounting. Although Ive been shooting all my life, I have to mentally check my shoulder mount before I pull the trigger. Mag., and .300 RUM are all 30 calibers, but significantly different 30-caliber cartridges. . Thats a very nice lightweight setup, without going to the extremes. On the other side of the caliber scale are the .35 Whelen (.30/06 necked up) and various .375s. I see it this way with a bullet of adequate caliber for the game hunted, its bullet performance at expected range that kills and is a good measure of killing abilty. With archery energy is not the killing factor, yet arrows kill big elk quickly. 27 Nosler 145 Hornady ELD-X-How The 27 Nosler Outdoes Other .270s: Based on the .404 Jeffery, its case has exceptional capacity. The .30/30, .300 Savage, .30/06, .300 Win. Bullets engineered to expand at 7mm terminal velocities are the ticket, and there are plenty of them. Your email address will not be published. in the mid .4s to low .5s, good enough to provide maximum point blank range of 320 to 340 yards on a 10-inch target zone. Mag., some less. We use cookies to make your experience better. Mag. Finally, the puny 6.8 SPC from Remington appeared about 2004. If you like velocity, the 27 Nosler will fit the bill, as it drives the 150-grain bullets to a muzzle velocity of 3300 fps, and the 165-grain bullets to 3150 fps. Energy and velocity are more indicators of bullet performance ability, along with penetration at range. Performance improves. However, if I had it to do over, Id get a .300 PRC. The old .270 Winchester has been hotly debated since 1925, yet it has been a favorite among thousands of elk pros. The .30-06 is the most powerful cartridge ever adopted by a major military. The old .270 Winchester has been hotly debated since 1925, yet it has been a favorite among thousands of elk pros. Are you concerned about barrel life? We had set up in what I considered to be a less-than-advantageous position, a bit too skylined for my liking, and with very little cover. They dont start as fast but with better aerodynamics, theyll pass lighter slugs at mid-range, and hit way out there with more authority. The .30-06 may not be an extreme range cartridge, but it is capable for the shooting most of us would do. Lighter recoil matched to .300 Win. Mag. 27 Nosler Load Data Despite these developments, the original .270 Winchester continued to rule the roost. loads top out with 200-grain bullets, 210-, 220-, and 230-grain options are available. And while most heavy .300 Win. That bullet offers the best of all worlds, as it will reliably expand at longer ranges when it has slowed down a bit, yet will hold together at woods distances when velocities remain high; it is also respected as a very accurate bullet. Before we begin, you should understand that this is a round up of the best calibers and cartridges for elk, not necessarily the most popular ones. They shoot flatter, but they kick me into next week. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. In 1963, everyone knew the all-American .30/06, so they had a benchmark against which to judge this belted magnum throwing the same familiar bullets 200 fps faster. Fully prepped, Nosler premium cartridge brass in 27 Nosler will be available in 25ct boxes. Yes, this is a short-action, small capacity case which demands we ask the obvious question: how can the little .277 SIG Fury shoot as fast from a 16-inch barrel as the larger .270 Winchester shoots from a 24-inch barrel? Chambered in .28 Nosler, this 8 pound, 8 ounce setup kicks quite hard. The final arbiters of the Best elk calibers are you and the elk, but here are my top five that I chose for their balance of power, reach, recoil, trajectory (drop and drift,) availability, affordability in reasonably compact, light, mountain ready rifles. At 800 yards the 28 Nosler carries just over 2000 ft lbs of energy. Mag. The .27 Nosler works with a larger powder reservoir. Shot placement and bullet performance cause quick humane kills. Re-barrel to the 27 Nosler and go kill elk. from a .338 Federal should deliver 1,711 f-p energy at 300 yards and drop just nine inches. hatched five years later and gave big brother a real run for his money. The 27 Nosler follows on the heels of the success of its siblingsthe 26, 28, 30 and 33 Noslersbeing based on the classic .404 Jeffery case, shortened to fit in a standard long-action and with much of the body taper removed to enhance case capacity. Recoil isn't bad and it will lay out the ft/lbs of energy as ways. Backfire LLC owns and operates this website. Roughly equivalent to a . ), Read Next: The Best New Guns, Ammo, and Hunting Gear from SHOT Show 2020, Nosler representatives couldnt tell me the B.C. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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Nosler Trophy Grade Ammunition 27 Nosler 165 Grain AccuBond Long Range Box of 20. For most big game animals, energy does not kill them. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. One of the most effective elk calibers available. A natural question now is if other gun makers will chamber for the 27 Nosler and .277 SIG Fury. I could go for one of the several faster .33s, but Ive tried most of them. One of the shots put the wildebeest flat on the ground immediately. re: new 27 nosler vs 28 nosler Posted on 12/17/20 at 8:43 pm to kengel2. You would get about 3,250 fps with the 26 Nosler with 140 grain bullets. Having said that, Id like to see more manufacturers focusing on deeper penetrating bullets in their .28 Nosler factory loads because the cartridge already shoots so fast that I am less concerned with expansion at a distance than I am about penetrationat least for elk. For starters, it burns more powder. Heres a detailed look at each step of the process. Its been one of the best selling, popular all-round hunting cartridges in the U.S. Much of its appeal is reasonable recoil, fairly significant muzzle velocity in the 3,000 fps range, mid-sized bullet weights found to be ideal for taking deer-sized game and good enough for some larger stuff with good design and placement. Elk/Moose Sized Game; Elk dont like any of this. With these two cartridges coming on line, our .270 selection has just grown from four members to six: 6.8mm Remington SPC, .270 Winchester, .270 WSM, and .270 Wby. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Fireformed case, overflowing to the neck = 98.4 gr/H2O with a 150 AB seated to 3.340 OAL = 89.9 gr/H2O. quote: 7mm/284 and 6.5 have a huge selection of bullets already available. The tougher the terrain, the lighter. In the article it states that the 28 Nosler carries 1500 ft lbs tot 747 yards. On much of their marketing material for the cartridge, they call it The New Herd Bull.. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. I wouldnt say Im especially recoil sensitive, but I dont have an iron shoulder either. For me, its quite tolerable for shooting up to 30 shots in a practice session and certainly a shot or two for hunting. The new .270s (27 Nosler and 6.8 Western), with faster twists and bullets up to 175 grains change the game. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. (Photo: Kristin Alberts/Guns.com) Synonymous with quality hunting ammunition, Nosler shakes things up in the .270 world introducing a new caliber - the 27 . Roughly equivalent to a . The 27 Nosler, like its counterparts across the family of Nosler cartridges, has raised the performance bar when it comes to the .277. After all, this was the round Bell used to collect 800 elephants and untold numbers of Cape buffalo. Bulls are bigger than cows; and mature, fully grown bulls are huge. The 27 Nosler should be easy enough. Recoil is about 30-percent less than the .338 Win. The doe fell out of the scope, and I had filled the last of the four tags issued to me on the Hawaiian Island of Molokai. Inside of 500 yards the ballistics and energy are comparable. Still, any .37-caliber pushing 250- to 300-grain bullets faster than about 2,500 fps is going to lead to copious amounts of skinning and packing. You, your kids, and 90 percent of the shooters might love the SIG Cross rifle, in which case the .277 SIG Fury might be your baby. In comparison a 250-grain slug at 2,600 fps will churn up just 3,750 ft-lb. The 27 Nosler can . If the .338s are the best caliber on the upper end for elk, the 7mms are the best at the lower end. Just be aware that shot angles and placement do become critical as bullet mass and energy decline. The elk took 3 steps and collapsed. If recoil isnt a concern, you can slide up the power charts via the 33 Nosler, .340 Wby. The .280 Ackley Improved is hot these days, flying about 100 fps behind the 7mm Rem. A faster-than-standard 1-8.5" twist barrel design allows the 27 Nosler to propel Nosler's factory-loaded 150gr AccuBond and 165gr AccuBond Long Range bullets (new for 2020) at never-before-seen velocities and distances in 270 caliber. Many elk hunters consider the old .375 H&H the ultimate elk medicine, but not everyone cares to handle their recoil or the kind of rifle mass that tames it. Then, the barrel life will be around 1500 rounds! Throw the excellent 32 calibers into the mix, the .325 WSM and 8mm Rem.
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